Sunday, January 31, 2010

Advice Sought

I have decided to restore this post. The comments are appreciated and valued by me and the contributors.

I will also post updates to my work/study situation, I hope sooner rather than later!

Here are everyone's comments:

Advice Sought
22 comments: Oz Andy said... I recently asked 28 friends if I should undertake an undergraduate degree course. The answers are very interesting. I wanted to share the comments with all on gmail but this is a better way apparently.

Oz Andy said... The original request for advice

Peoples,

I am seeking your considered opinions and valuable advice.

I am considering doing something to further my love of writing, put bread on the table and a roof over my head: a Bachelor of Communication degree at the OUA (Open Universities of Australia). This could open up many opportunities, provided I live to 130!

https://www.open.edu.au/wps/portal/oua/what-study/qualification?WCM_GLOBAL_CONTEXT=/migration/OUA2/What+to+study/Qualifications/Qualification_Data/GRF_COM_DEG&WT.ti=Communication,%20Bachelor%20of#top

What do you think? Since I haven't had any work for quite some time and seem always to be underqualified when I apply for jobs, I thought it best to learn a new set of skills while enhancing and improving my current skills (such as they are).

Be brutally honest! You know I'm a masochist.

Yes or no? Or a few well-chosen words. Whatever. I'd seriously appreciate you giving a response because if you don't you will be dropped from the jokes mailing list forever. And that's an empty threat!

BTW I am not too old. Or even old. Or even too. Or even. In fact quite distinctly odd.

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Cheers
Andrew

Reply from MM

This would probably be too easy for you and not really add very much to your skills set, given your current experience.

How about learning to program in Java or some other current language?
I reckon you can program for reasonable money for years on end ... age shouldn't an issue is you have a skill in demand and keep current.

Reply from LH

Now odd one,

With a clearly and cleverly structured email like that OF COURSE you should be qualified in it! I hope for you that it will be interesting and absorbing. Only one question, why not go to UTS? Or more to a cheap flat in Bathurst (where most Communications degrees seem to be at, man). Clean air... bracing winters... friends in Sydney you can come up to for the weekends... I would!

Cheers m'dear

Reply from KOB

Andrew, I haven't read the details of the link. But I think you can write without doing a course, they don't preclude each other.

I am sure you can do the course anyway, it would be interesting. But you should also trust your natural talent in writing.
I honestly think you can start to write, how about doing a BLOG to see how it goes, so you have a focus, and if at some point you need a publisher for your book, there is "public" experience of mass audience.
this movie I watched on the flight to Syndey called Julie and Julia, is about this young woman who loves cooking and she decided she want to share that experience and started a BLOG and she surprised herself that there is an audience out there who reads her BLOG. January 26, 2010 7:38 PM [Photo] [Photo] Oz Andy said... Replay from Chrissie

Reply from CB

Study is always good in my opinion – and what’s more it would be great fun for you I am certain. And also you could then employ your love of surfing the net with a constructive end in sight!!

Have fun

CB

Reply from NB

Hi Andrew,

For what it's worth - I think you should definitely go ahead and do it!

Course sounds really interesting for a start, and I'm a total believer in learning new skills and going on to do different things.
I'm really pleased I went on to do the photography course fairly recently - even though I've yet to make any living from it. We should follow
what we really want to do - I should have done it years ago, but it really is never ever too late. So just go ahead - and do it!!!

Hope all is good.

NB

Reply from MA

Go for it, Andrew.

Rita would be right proud of you.

AA
Who the Hell is Rita? [Educating Rita: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smKTxgQp8S0]

Reply from MA

Very, very pleased you have listened to me, Andrew. Diversifying will keep you ahead of the game.
I think if we eliminate a few negatives first that will leave us with a lot of positives. OK?

* It's hard to study at home, there are a lot of diversions and procrastination (the thief of time) comes far more easily
* Making the time to study can be a pain. But deciding which part of the day (morning afternoon or night) is best for you, can be a massive step in the right direction.
* The loneliness of studying at home can be a downer, but if your course is anything like the OU here, email is a fantastic source of help and comfort, emailing other students and sharing ideas is the best thing ever, and you will make lots of new friends.
* Have only very briefly looked at the course, and was half asleep at the time, but it looks like a three year course? That's quite a long time, but you will be surprised at how quickly it goes. I also think that as you get into the course you could put feelers out for working from home. For the media people the OUA says you are being educated for.
* Committing oneself to study and having the discipline to apply oneself is a very hard thing to do. But when assignments are completed on time the wonderful feeling of achievement in doing so is a real boost. Those "milestones" are great. One becomes a dedicated, stop at nothing, keep pushing person. But even with those highs one can succumb to becoming a person who feels like throwing the towel in, but the joy of leaping the hurdle(s) is another massive boost to ones self esteem and to ones knowledge.
* Uncertainty and despair are two bedfellows you will meet quite often, but with your new determination and enjoyment of learning they are pretty easily vanquished.


I really do hope you go for it, and enjoy the challenge, enjoy the course and extra knowledge it will give you. That you will enjoy the use of words, a skill which I acknowledge in you, you are brilliant. I think you are making the right choice, writing doesn't have any age barriers, one can write well, and influence the reader no matter what age one has reached. Ageism doesn't count. If I had your skills I wouldn't be sat on my arse moaning I would be utilising them, crikey how exciting! You could even write articles in French. WOW what a wonderful new career I see ahead for you. A new era! A new dawn! GO FOR IT.

Reply from GC

Mmmm – study is a good idea – very stimulating. But what about a masters (do you have a bachelors in something?). Generally the bachelors courses have a fair bit of general education aimed at young folks. Not that you’re not young of course ;-)

But study is a good idea...

G

My reply to MA

Perfect email, MA.

Reply from VC

Andy,

Is it the journey or the destination that attracts you the most? Did you seek this course of study or did it find you? It will be a substantial commitment on your part. But, if you believe that it will entertain your intellect for the years that it will take to complete., do it. I'll lead the cheer squad at you graduation. I don't know though at this point in your working life whether I would view the outcome as an income generator. Will you be able to fit in a contract if one comes along? I am sure that there is work out there that suits your current abilities although it may not be the type of work you want to do.

You know you. If you feel you need this then you probably do.
Happy Australia Day
VC

Reply from LT, mature student of Spanish and the most positive person I know

I am with the 'go for it' crowd. Education at any age is worthwhile!

Reply from MH in Leeds, Yorkshire

It could just be a mid-life crisis gripping you .. but then if it's a mid-life thing, you'll be a good old age when you die :)

Education is a wonderful thing, so why not ..

AA
But I've been having a mid-life crisis since I was 18.

Reply from HL

Go for it - just steer away from student politics!!

Reply from MSM

Well what did you expect? Of course it’s a good thing but I suspect you might find it a “bit lightweight” if any of the recent musings of so called journalists I have read are typical of what is coming out of universities. (cynical me) However, if you feel that it will help in your quest for work go for it. Have you asked your Recruitment agency what they think? They should tell you if it’s worthwhile. Don’t know anything about the reputation of Griffith either. Let me know what you decide. January 26, 2010 7:49 PM [Photo] [Photo] Oz Andy said... Andrew,

Reply from PW
Three year course at hard slog rate - how old does that make you when you finish?

If it is for stimulation and furthering your love of writing absolutely go for it.

If it is to put bread on the table more careful consideration is required - considering the depth and breadth of your experience is "seem always to be underqualified " actually employer code for "your too fn old"? If so no amount of courses will fix it.

With best intent,

PW

Oz Andy said... A course of rejuvenation pills? Thanks. You're on my track. I am very worried about the time and effort. Not just because I'm lazy but because the market may pick up and give me work and I'll be stuck with 10 hours a week of study on top of my day job, absolutely knackered. Working part time it could be six years. That's a long time. January 26, 2010 7:51 PM [Photo] [Photo] Oz Andy said... What worries me is the time it takes. Three years full time and up to 10 years if I have work to support myself and the government. Would I learn enough as I progressed through the course to keep myself happy? Wouldn't an autodidactic approach be better since I (may) know what I need and want to learn? Or is it better to have a recognised paper qualification? I am going to think (long and) hard before committing.
I'm 64 now and if I did it part time and arrived at the degree in six years, I'd be 70. I could stop along the way and come out with a diploma in something or other. Very difficult choice.
Thanks for your input. You have let go of the pebbles at the bottom of the river and are on the river bank feeling the freedom. Let me know how the photography goes. My brother is doing a course in photography at the moment. He has retired from education. He did an OU BSc (Hons) degree in Psychology. January 26, 2010 7:51 PM [Photo] [Photo] Oz Andy said... Last one was reply to NB the photographer. January 26, 2010 7:52 PM [Photo]

Reply from MM

Andrew,

Education no matter what type, or from whom, is always of value.

What I find interesting is your need to ask others as to what action you should take, maybe the course should be more related to understanding/communicating with yourself rather doing a degree in communication with others.
Further the course covers three areas Journalism, Media and Public Relations... which one are you interested in and why?

Is your objective to learn, to get a job, or to change occupation? Either way you may have to re-train and so you already have an answer you must do more training and therefore a new course; if this is the correct course I have no idea but obviously you must do something.

I don't know if you have done any virtual employment but if not then your could try this site:
http://www.getafreelancer.com/ ----- http://www.getafreelancer.com/projects/by-job/Technical-Writing.html

Note that this site has approx 118 current outstanding projects requesting Technical Writers; the money paid for these tasks is not much but it is something and maybe it will help pay the bills.

I am just suggesting this site and do not recommend this site nor the people who use it as being trustworthy, if you wish to use it that is your decision and I suggest that you do not send them any money, nor use you real email address.

Brgds, MM

Reply from MM

Thanks for that. How are tricks? Still working in Melbourne?

Ha ha. A bloke in the pub last night said maybe I should do a course in making decisions. I did what I did because I once worked with a very intelligent guy who made a lot of money running a club from his public service office in Melbourne. He promised club owners that he could fill their clubs on their quiet nights. He asked for and got 50% of the takings. Pretty soon he had paid off his mortgage and bought his mother a house. Last time I heard he was living in a fancy suburb of Melbourne and had bought a few more houses. He also asked for my input on whether he should buy a Mercedes; he could certainly afford one. He was anxious about the image it might project to his customers who might ask him to lower his prices because he was obviously earning too much money. He worked for The Australian Radiation Laboratories and one of their customers offered him its radiation equipment, worth half a million dollars, if he'd take it away but still service its requirements. He hired a warehouse in which to house the equipment and attracted some of his old workmates to his company so that he could put the equipment to full use.

Some time after I left Melbourne to come back to Sydney he rang me asking for my advice. I asked him why he was asking me. He being a doctor in nuclear physics with two successful businesses. He said he would be asking about 10 of his friends and would then be able to make a very informed decision. I can't say I was impressed with his reasoning at the time but, having done the same myself, I have been getting some pretty interesting replies.

I am hearing that the work situation is on the upturn. I hear of people who were on $200K to $300K per year who spent up when the GFC hit and they lost their job and are now back with their parents. Unfortunately I don't even have a wife to put out on the streets to earn some money... I don't even know if the Communication course would give me work when I finished it.

I've also been looking at the possibility of a project management course with TAFE. Unfortunately they don't run it at the North Sydney Institute. I'll have to find out where it is run and whether I can get there and do it.

Being out of work has been very confusing and led me to question my worth as an IT worker and I have been toying with the idea of somehow getting away from the corporate world and doing something that doesn't involve me having to work in an office. I recall that you were intent on doing something in the Hunter Valley to get away from the muppets in [company name]. Are you still pursuing that plan?

There are a lot of IT people who have been suffering as I have. I hope you have been gainfully employed. Perhaps we could meet for a coffee and a laugh if you are still in Sydney?

Thanks again,

Andrew

Reply from CC

Halo,

Bloody fantastic news you're considering this! I absolutely think you should - and could - do it. All your reasons for wanting to are right, particularly the want to further your love of writing. You're a superb communicator, you relish hearty discussions (I got a right giggle out of the "just steer away from student politics!" comment!) where everyone's opinion is canvassed and taken into consideration and, most importantly, you're broad-minded. Admittedly, you've got a touch of the waffler in you, but that's from one waffler to another! And it isn't necessarily a bad thing.

I reckon OUA is defo the way to go as their courses and qualifications are just as good as anywhere else, including the top sandstone institutions. As with any study, though - you said be brutally honest! - I reckon the hardest thing is being disciplined enough to keep on top of all the required work in order to see it through. It's so ball-tearingly easy to regularly convince yourself: "Stuff it, I'll go to the pub tonight and make up for it later..." Of course you still can do that - and absolutely must at times for your own sanity! - but, like any workload, if you let it build up to unmanagable levels, you wind up feeling overwhelmed, sooper stressed and riddled with self-loathing. Having said that, however, OUA's set-up/method of learning is extremely flexible and ideal for anyone 30+ wanting to boost qualifications/knowledge/opportunities, as it's specifically geared towards those seeking to fit study into their lifestyle rather than the other way around.

Andy, as they say in their blurb: "This degree will be the backbone to a successful career in communication and related fields." Go for it, mate.

Now I just have to come up with a name for you... Bernstein or Woodward perhaps?

Love Cracker (some day, hopefully!)

Saturday, January 30, 2010

Worried about ID cards?

Read this article:

https://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0B6FEK49ConPJYjkwYzdjODktZGFiMy00ZTI0LWJmYjMtMTJhNmI1Y2RhZDc2&hl=en

I believe that since I am a supporter of the ACLU and No2ID case they will have no objection to my using their copyright material and consider it fair use.

Tuesday, January 26, 2010

Seth Godin

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Seth's blog is full of marketing pearls of wisdom.

Career Change

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